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Maine:Council to consider smoke-free city zones~Aren't We Sick Of This Yet?
MaineToday.com ^ | February 20, 2004 | JOSIE HUANG

Posted on 02/21/2004 7:55:41 AM PST by SheLion

Jane William isn't impressed by people who smoke by the basketball courts at Portland's Payson Park, but she says other teenagers may be getting the wrong message.

"I think it smells," William, a lanky, 14-year-old, said forcefully. "They want to be cool."

A proposal going before city councilors next week takes aim at youths' smoking by calling for "tobacco-free zones" at city athletic fields and playgrounds, and during events at parks.

No one would police the zones or issue fines, say the city officials behind the proposal, because those elements would require manpower and a change to city ordinances.

But if city councilors approve the measure, signs would mark areas as "tobacco-free" and Parks and Recreation employees would pass out tiny cards that might read "You are welcome at our Tobacco-Free Field . . . but tobacco is not!"

Compliance would be voluntary, but the idea still burns some smokers. They consider the outdoors the last place they can smoke freely in Portland, since tobacco was outlawed at workplaces, restaurants and, beginning this year, bars.

"I think it's kind of stupid - I mean, the smoking's outside," said Mandy Ryan, a 21-year-old gas station cashier. "The responsibility should be put on parents to teach them not to smoke."

Smokers who are trying to quit, however, see some value in the proposal.

"I have five boys and some of them smoke," said Judy Ruffino, Ryan's co-worker. "They copied me, and I think I copied my mother."

The plan's supporters stress that the goal is not to make life difficult for smokers, but to further promote tobacco-free lifestyles for Portland children and reduce their exposure to secondhand smoke. Already, Portland schools prohibit smoking on school property, including playgrounds.

"If (youths) see tobacco use as a normal part of what's going on, they're more likely to see tobacco use as a normal part of life for them," said Richard Veilleux, a program coordinator for the city's Health and Human Services Department.

Since last fall, the city's health and Parks & Recreation officials have worked with community health experts on the proposed resolution, which does not yet have a cost estimate or a funding source.

The public can comment on the proposal when the City Council's health and human services committee meets at 5 p.m. Tuesday at City Hall. The committee will decide whether to recommend passage to the full council.

During the last decade, tobacco-free areas have proliferated across the country. At least a dozen other communities in Maine have them, including Bath, Brunswick, Gorham and Westbrook.

Tobacco-free zones are popular because they work, according to supporters. Brunswick made its playing fields and trails tobacco-free 18 months ago, and has seen significant results.

"We're picking up a lot fewer tobacco products after adult leagues," said Parks and Recreation Director Tom Farrell.

Portland's proposed program is modeled largely after Brunswick's, but Portland may not post the same type of blue and red signs that the state provides for free.

Don Brewer, Portland's assistant parks and recreation director, said the city would consult with the historic and parks preservation groups on the design of the signs, and hire translators so the message would be understood by immigrants.

Portable signs would be created for events such as the Festival of Nations held at Deering Oaks, but are unlikely to appear at a massive affair like the Fourth of July celebration along the Eastern Promenade, Brewer said.

The proposal's creators considered making smoking at tobacco-free zones a violation, as it is in Westbrook, but decided that was unrealistic. Year-round, there are only two full-time park rangers who oversee several parks, 19 playing fields and 27 playgrounds, including those operated by the schools.

But Brewer foresees gradually expanding the program.

William, who attends King Middle School, said she likes the idea of banning smoking from more places outdoors because kids her age don't realize that behavior is unhealthy.

"They see what adults do, and ask, 'Why can't I do that?' "

Julia McCue, staff researcher, contributed to this story.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting a little sick and tired of the Nanny Do-Gooders in this state?

"They" don't want smokers inside and they don't want smokers outside..so just ban the d*mn stuff and be done with it!

1 posted on 02/21/2004 7:55:42 AM PST by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; ...

2 posted on 02/21/2004 7:56:59 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Their property, town and state, is theirs to do with as they see fit. Your property is theirs to do with as they see fit. That's the difference between public property and private.
3 posted on 02/21/2004 8:03:13 AM PST by Leisler (Whatever it is you're doing, it's illegal now.)
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To: Leisler
Pity smokers can't even step inside a restaurant or bar then, to have a cigarette!
4 posted on 02/21/2004 8:05:07 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
No one would police the zones or issue fines, say the city officials behind the proposal, because those elements would require manpower and a change to city ordinances.

Where have I heard that song and dance before. Oh yeh, the old we'll never make traffic stops for a seatbelt violation, only charge it if it occurs as part of another violation. Get the foot in the door and work from there. The UN wants a smoke free world, can't waste valuable resources treating the livestock.

5 posted on 02/21/2004 8:14:21 AM PST by steve50 ("Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken)
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To: steve50
The UN wants a smoke free world, can't waste valuable resources treating the livestock.

It will be interesting to see who/what wins out..........what THEY WANT or all that money coming in. It could really be interesting, steve!

6 posted on 02/21/2004 8:18:15 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Re: the smoking area:

That's being pretty optimistic, considering how incrementalism works...


"Desert of Maine"

7 posted on 02/21/2004 8:23:01 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: SheLion

Jane William isn't impressed by people who smoke by the basketball courts at Portland's Payson Park, but she says other teenagers may be getting the wrong message.

"I think it smells," William, a lanky, 14-year-old, said forcefully. "They want to be cool."

Imagine not being able to sit on a park bench overlooking the Eastern Promenade smoking a cigarette or a cheap cigar simply because some whiny 14 year olds are put up to it by their indoctrination facilitators teachers and enablers from "Kids for a Tobacco Free Maine".

These people are idiots.

8 posted on 02/21/2004 8:40:34 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Every time I write a check to my town for property taxes and every time I write a check to my state for income taxes I am,in fact,paying for my little piece of public property.

The property belongs to ALL of the taxpayers,not to the state itself.

The state wants to have it both ways on the smoking issue. It wants to regulate both public and private property.

We are long overdue for some civil disobedience here. If it can be done without any penalties in San Francisco re: gay marriages it can be done anyplace and regarding any issue.
9 posted on 02/21/2004 9:15:55 AM PST by Mears
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To: SheLion
I agree completely. If pot is illegal, and is smoked, and toabcco causes about 100,000 times as much in health care costs and is legal, the guvmint is hypocrites and beholden to the tobacco industy. Of course, this is mostly becuase they just want the tax money and the straw dog to beat their chests about. Not unlike pot, which I have noticed many more super-scary ads on TV about lately. What a bunch of morons, IM N-T-B-H O.
10 posted on 02/21/2004 10:30:26 AM PST by H2dude
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To: SheLion
and hire translators so the message would be understood by immigrants.

Wow, Portland must be rolling in dough, huh?

I was in the People's Republic of Portland the other day. The place absolutely makes my skin crawl. The political correctness is so thick that you have to cut your way through it with a lit cigarette.

11 posted on 02/21/2004 10:37:31 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Looks like Lewiston.


12 posted on 02/21/2004 11:07:18 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: metesky

Imagine not being able to sit on a park bench overlooking the Eastern Promenade smoking a cigarette or a cheap cigar simply because some whiny 14 year olds are put up to it by their indoctrination facilitators teachers and enablers from "Kids for a Tobacco Free Maine".

Look Who's Talking

Brainstorming session at Maine's Partnership for a Tobacco-free Maine. The girls discuss strategies to ridicule smokers and celebrate good health. Half of the heifers appear to have weighty health problems of their own.  

 

13 posted on 02/21/2004 11:12:31 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
The property belongs to ALL of the taxpayers,not to the state itself.

Mears! Your absolutely right! Everytime I go down town each spring to pay the city property taxes, that in itself should give me a say in how it's spent.

I know, I know.....I should attend the City Council meetings, but if you heard the way people talk about our City Council in this town, you'd understand why I DON'T go. ~sigh.........

14 posted on 02/21/2004 11:15:50 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: H2dude
I agree completely. If pot is illegal, and is smoked, and toabcco causes about 100,000 times as much in health care costs and is legal, the guvmint is hypocrites and beholden to the tobacco industy. Of course, this is mostly becuase they just want the tax money and the straw dog to beat their chests about. Not unlike pot, which I have noticed many more super-scary ads on TV about lately. What a bunch of morons, IM N-T-B-H O.

Your caught up in believing all the professional anti-smokers lies!  

The BIG LIE That Smoking is an Economic Burden To Society


15 posted on 02/21/2004 11:18:36 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Madame Dufarge
I was in the People's Republic of Portland the other day. The place absolutely makes my skin crawl. The political correctness is so thick that you have to cut your way through it with a lit cigarette.

Well, I hope all those people that are walking around with that stick up their b*tts have the money to sustain them through the tourist season coming up. ~ta ta

hehe!

16 posted on 02/21/2004 11:20:00 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Madame Dufarge; SheLion
The People's Republic of Newton,Ma is right up there with your Maine cities.It's a real "barf" place which I don't recognize anymore.

How do you like my new tagline? Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
17 posted on 02/21/2004 11:31:35 AM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen---caviar and cigarettes.)
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To: Mears
(The Killer Queen---caviar and cigarettes.)

I LOVE it!!!!!!

18 posted on 02/21/2004 11:33:38 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
As far as I can tell, the law is each and every day, more and more my enemy. It is the agent of chaos and anarchy. One can no longer trust to wake up to the supposed infallible order that was just yesterday enforced. I guess that's why Sheriffs and Peace Officers have become Law En force ment officers.
19 posted on 02/21/2004 12:29:05 PM PST by Leisler (Whatever it is you're doing, it's illegal now.)
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To: Madame Dufarge
They're watching you.


20 posted on 02/21/2004 12:33:54 PM PST by Leisler (Whatever it is you're doing, it's illegal now.)
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